Ricky Frailey:
Do you remember the Gabby Petito case?
DiDi:
Umm, vaugely, like, was it backpacking or something involved? Like she was traveling?
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. So it was her and her boyfriend. No, her fiancé, Brian Laundrie. They were going across country, they ended up in Utah. They were exploring national parks.
DiDi:
Okay. Yeah
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, this case got a lot of media coverage nationally, internationally, when Gabby went missing.
DiDi:
Yeah. It was kind of like videos and stuff behind that.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. Yeah, there were a bunch of videos on in the news and on social media of, you know, Gabby and Brian, but the media focus was mostly on Gabby.
DiDi:
Yeah.
Ricky Frailey:
There's something interesting, and while that is, a whole case on its own that I may actually do one day, the reason I bring it up is because there's this thing that happens when there's a case that, you know, rightfully gets a lot of media attention
DiDi:
It’s a tragedy
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, it's a tragedy. It deserves the attention and it deserves to be investigated and solved.
DiDi:
Yeah.
Ricky Frailey:
But what happens is when one case gets that large, it happens the same way in the Vanessa Guillen case.
DiDi:
Oh, yeah
Ricky Frailey:
Where they ended up finding, I think his name was Moralez.
DiDi:
Yes, like he was so overshadowed.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, exactly. there are cases that are overshadowed by these larger cases, and that's what I want to bring attention to today. So I've gathered seven, I think, cases. Yeah
DiDi:
My heart broke already.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. It's a lot. I've gathered seven cases that were overshadowed by the Petito case that I think deserve to be talked about.
DiDi:
Wow.
Ricky Frailey:
And potentially solved because some of them are still unsolved.
DiDi:
Wow. Well, let's get into it. Let's get this knowledge out here.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. So let's get into it, because season two of the Dark Deeds Diary is here.
Ricky Frailey:
So the first case that I have is the case of Sara Bayard. Sara Bayard was a 55 year old woman last seen at a convenience store and gas station in Parker, Colorado, on June 28th, 2021. Originally from El Paso County, Colorado. She was reported missing on July 4th as her last known contact with anyone was June 27th.
Human remains were found on October 9th, 2021 near Highway 83 and North Pinery Parkway in Douglas County, Colorado. It would take seven days, even with the use of dental records, for authorities to confirm these remains belong to Sara on October 14th, 2021.
DiDi:
Woah
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. So far, due to lack of enough body tissue, no official cause of death has been ruled for Sara.
And so the circumstances around her disappearance and death remain a mystery. So she was too decomposed for them to even, like, determine a cause of death in her autopsy.
DiDi:
That's crazy.
Ricky Frailey:
Sara's connection to Gabby Petito's case is based on where she was found. The particular area where Sara's body had been found happened to be close by an area that the couple, Brian Laundrie and Gabby Petito, had stopped and taken Instagram photos. Yeah, so her body was found near one of the locations.
DiDi:
Where she was posing.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah.
DiDi:
Yeah, that is kind of ridiculous, my face was stuck like-
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. Yeah. That's what brings these two cases together. Is that Sara disappeared and her body was found, nearby one of the locations where Brian Laundrie and Gabby Petito had taken photos for Instagram. They stopped and posed and took photos
DiDi:
That's scary.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. You never really know who or what is going on nearby where you're at.
DiDi:
Or whose path you might cross
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah.
DiDi:
You know, who knows if they even dealt with each other? That is kind of creepy.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, it is creepy. It's scary to think about, it's very scary to think about. Remember, there's crazy people everywhere.
DiDi:
Everywhere
Ricky Frailey:
Authorities were able to confirm that Gabby had checked in on Instagram at the Monument Rocks in Colorado, which is around 200 miles away. On the day that Sara disappeared and the couple traveled to Colorado Springs, which is just about 60 miles south of Parker, on July 8th. There's no evidence to suggest that Gabby's case is related in any way to this one.
The relatively close proximity of the area in which Gabby and Brian had been visiting, and ultimately where Sara's body was found, has led to a bit of spotlight being shed on Sara’s case
DiDi:
Yes. Yeah. As they should, because hold up. Hold up. This is kind of eerie. Like they need to.
Ricky Frailey:
It's very eerie.
DiDi:
Yeah. Because this is kind of that's kind of weird because knowing that he had now that we know that he had that rage issue.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
Like you don't know what she was really going through or what what they was really doing on their travels abroad. Because this was crazy. Or not abroad, but through the country
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
But yeah, that is really weird. Like, and then it’s around the time that she went missing?
Ricky Frailey:
Yes
DiDi:
It’s right through those dates.
Ricky Frailey:
Mhm, yeah they were 200 miles away on the day she disappeared. Yeah, they were at the Monument Rocks which is 200 miles away on the day that she disappeared. And then they travel to Colorado Springs, which is just about 60 miles south of Parker, Colorado, where she was.
DiDi:
Yeah, like ten days later.
Ricky Frailey:
Yes.
DiDi:
Yeah. That's okay, but it can't be them or related. So it’s just a coincidence. Coincidence.
Ricky Frailey:
It's a very, very eerie coincidence, and I don't like that kind of coincidence.
DiDi:
Yeah
Ricky Frailey:
So, yeah. Sara’s case is still being investigated, as far as I know, and that's all the information that I have on that case. So if anybody knows anything that could potentially help in this case.
DiDi:
They didn't do no digging for her
Ricky Frailey:
Not that I could find at least.
DiDi:
I mean, it’s like maybe four police out there in Colorado, in the mountains, cause they’re like in the mountains.
Ricky Frailey:
I mean, yeah there’s mountains. Yeah
DiDi:
Yeah. This is crazy because, like, neither one of them are available to investigate a little bit of her case? Like they didn't know anything, she just left no traces. She just went to the convenience store.
Ricky Frailey:
Mhm
DiDi:
And that's the last place that she was able to be found basically on camera. Pretty much because nobody reported her
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, last verifiable place
DiDi
Her even gone until the fourth.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
Cause she didn't bring that potato salad. That's the only reason why they went looking for her. They gotta do better
Ricky Frailey:
Because she didn’t bring the food over. Yeah, no, that’s bad
DiDi:
Yeah, they gotta do better.
Ricky Frailey:
That's bad. Yeah.
DiDi:
Yeah. This is bad.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. And it's really sad. It's really sad. And what's really more sad is that most of the people that are on this list, a lot of people have never heard their names or their stories.
DiDi:
Yeah. I never heard this story before.
Ricky Frailey:
Somebody could have the piece of missing information and not even know it
DiDi:
In Parker, Colorado.
Ricky Frailey:
Yep. In Parker, Colorado.
DiDi:
Open up your cabin windows.
Ricky Frailey:
Colorado is so beautiful. Like that whole just that whole area. Colorado, even Utah, like all of those national park areas.
DiDi:
Yes.
Ricky Frailey:
Oh, God.
DiDi:
Majestic.
Ricky Frailey:
I want to go there so bad.
But on to case number two, a woman by the name of Lauren Cho. She was called El by her friends. E L. But, El, Lauren. She was a 30 year old Korean American woman from Flemington, New Jersey. According to sources close to Lauren, she had recently quit her job as a high school music teacher in New Jersey to travel across the country with her boyfriend, Cody Orell, in a converted tour bus.
So they were vanlife people.
DiDi:
Oh, okay
Ricky Frailey:
Or they became vanlife people. A reason for doing so, apparently, was because despite being a talented soprano singer, she was no longer interested in that life
DiDi:
And she was locked up in a house for a whole year for 2021.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, yeah, yeah
DiDi:
I believe that everybody was... That's why Laundrie and them were out there tryna be outside
Ricky Frailey:
I mean fair, yeah. After the lockdowns she did say she wanted a taste of freedom.
DiDi:
Yeah
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, her close family and friends would describe her as super talented and mentioned that she'd recently bought an old school bus, which she wanted to convert into a food truck as she began exploring her culinary talents. So she was very interested in cooking as well.
DiDi:
Wow.
Ricky Frailey:
Or food preparation, not just cooking. The then couple were staying at a ghost town turned artists commune.
DiDi:
Oh
Ricky Frailey:
Yes
DiDi:
She was a swinger
Ricky Frailey:
Oh, I mean.
DiDi:
That's what I get. That's what’s happenin around those towns at night time
Ricky Frailey:
Oh, my God
DiDi:
It's swinging. Okay.
Ricky Frailey:
Um yeah.
DiDi:
I won’t put no papers out on her, I'm just observing from the case. What we might not have heard, that's all.
Ricky Frailey:
I mean, no comment. Um, yeah, so they were staying at this ghost town, turned artist commune and I don't... I know that these places exist, but, I don't know... I wouldn't be able to fall asleep, like, in an old ghost town where there’s just people at.
DiDi:
They live to fall asleep in ghost town’s though, a lot of people go searching for this scary scene. This old past.
Ricky Frailey:
I mean, you're not wrong.
DiDi:
Man.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. You're not wrong. It couldn't be me, though. This definitely could not be me. I'm not doing that
DiDi:
Man, Hotel California
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, you can check out but you can never leave. But yeah, so they were staying there at Bombay Beach, which, like I said, was a ghost town. It was at this point in time, a small unincorporated community, obviously, of around 415 people.
So there were quite a few people there.
DiDi:
Ohh it was quite a few
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, there was quite a few people there. Lauren was working as a private chef for her friend's Airbnb between the Yucca and Morongo Valleys. This was located just outside of Joshua Tree National Park.
Speaking of Joshua Tree, I want to go there. Have you seen pictures of Joshua Tree?
DiDi:
I've never heard of Joshua Tree.
Ricky Frailey:
Oh my God. Hold on.
DiDi:
That's an America?
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, that's in California.
DiDi:
Oh, that is so dope. I would love to go there. I'm sure I got a lot of bodies around here. That's why you wanna go
Ricky Frailey:
I mean, I just want to go take pictures. It’s crazy
DiDi:
You want to go take pictures and see what you can find. See who you can find out there
Ricky Frailey:
Who I can find? No, it’s crazy.
DiDi:
Every time I watch SoHo out the desert in California, in those areas, it's always um like we found this person right here was killed ritualistically like at point blank range. Like they be having the most ridiculous crazy. Like they do some dirty stuff to you in that desert. That desert, they get creative.
Ricky Frailey:
I mean, yeah, you get creative when, when it’s hot as hell all day, every day, cold as hell at night and there's no water
DiDi:
They go outta they mind so they think of something out of the mind to do.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
Yeah, and then they don't do any disposing so they just be having enough of that desert and be ready to get out of there, because they clearly don't even over dispose of the body like, come on now
Ricky Frailey
Yeah.
DiDi:
Just lay it there. Just lay it right there next to that rock. Nobody gonna come over there
Ricky Frailey:
Next to that rock.
But yeah. So yeah, just outside of Joshua Tree National Park. It looks like a different planet there. Yeah.
DiDi:
Seems like it.
Ricky Frailey:
On the afternoon of June 28th, 2021, at around 3 p.m., Lauren was said to have been distraught and she left her residence to go for a walk, leaving behind her phone and any food or water.
DiDi:
Mmm
Ricky Frailey:
Some sources allege that she may have been involved in a disagreement with her boyfriend, Mr. Orell, hence her being upset at the time of her disappearance.
DiDi:
Ooh, hold up, so that's when she disappeared? She just walked, she just said she's going for a walk?
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
And left everything and just went.
Ricky Frailey:
Mhm, yes. Yeah. So what's important to note is that she also didn't bring any water with her.
DiDi:
Yeah.
Ricky Frailey:
June 28th.
DiDi:
Yes
Ricky Frailey:
Joshua Tree National Park out in the desert in California at 3 p.m.. The sun has been baking this place for hours at this point. It is hot as hell. That couldn't have been a very long walk that she was planning on at least.
DiDi:
Oh my goodness.
Ricky Frailey:
You know.
DiDi:
You know what boggles me a lot, it’s just so vast. The area is so vast.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, there's a lot of untamed wilderness out there.
DiDi:
Yeah. And it's a lot of people hiding behind rocks because this is crazy. Because this how how does she go missing? And it's not, Joshua trees aren't fat and wide and Joshua trees are not, you know that great oak. Okay. So she can’t hide behind that.
Ricky Frailey:
And they also don't clump together. They pretty far spread apart.
DiDi:
They're really far spread apart. Yeah, like-
Ricky Frailey:
So it's not like you're looking at a forest. It's like.
DiDi:
That is. That's really quite mind boggling how she went missing like that.
Ricky Frailey:
There are a few conflicting reports out there surrounding Lauren's disappearance, and her family has publicly asked for the public to not speculate about her mental state at the time of her disappearance. Her sister has stated, “Just a gentle reminder that El is an actual person who is fiercely loved by many and we see the posts, comments and speculations made about her situation, her family, her friends, and her mental health.”
DiDi:
Now, it's not like... When I see those things I do think about that a lot, like about the victims families and everything, but that's like the world trying to connect, you know what I'm saying? Trying to draw some conclusion because we sit in our seats and we watch these cases and like even you, Ricky Frailey, you drop bombs on us on your YouTube that you will not believe and
Nobody is there to be like, well hold up. Stop.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
Get that part, investigate right there. So the public is just, you know, crying out to like, you know, do more like we we want to see more done. And it's like they're not doing enough. They need to maybe get into the comments.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah.
DiDi:
Yeah. Respect the family.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. Please, please respect any and all families that we talk about.
DiDi:
Yeah
Ricky Frailey:
Or that anybody online or in the media talks about because people are people and everybody deserves respect and dignity except for pedophiles. According to Mr. Orell, there was a ten minute window and she evaporated. That's actually um
DiDi:
Oh, so hold up, Mr. Orell wasn't with her I thought. I thought that they was thinking that maybe she was arguing with him or something.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, they thought...
DiDi:
Like possibly.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, their theory-
DiDi:
So where he was at? I'm gonna need that ping.
Ricky Frailey:
He would say that... He would say that he initially remained in the bus because Lauren had gotten upset and decided to go for a walk in the desert. However, after a few minutes, he had decided to call friends and set out to go look for her.
DiDi:
Mmm
Ricky Frailey:
So, a few minutes go by after she leaves the bus. He stays in there, presumably still upset.
They’d just had an argument. And he's thinking, he cools off for a few minutes and then he's like, you know, actually, I should probably go find her she's not back yet. It's the desert in June and at 3 p.m., and she doesn't have her phone or water or food. I don't know if all those thoughts were going through his head, but it was after a couple of minutes that he rounded up some friends to go look for her.
DiDi:
That's crazy. I don't know, that's just seems a little bizarre, but these, like, tourist places are like that, you know what I'm saying? Like, it could have been a ten minute window before he looked for her and somebody already put her in the car, you know, like.
Ricky Frailey:
Oh, yeah
DiDi:
Yeah, it happens here in America way too often, but that's really crazy.
I hope somebody knows something or maybe have seen something that day and didn't catch that news because again, you said it was overshadowed greatly by the Gabby case.
Ricky Frailey:
Of course. Yeah.
And to no fault of the Petito family or any of them
DiDi:
Yeah, it's not their fault. It just was... We had her voice. We had her voice on those cameras, she was making a video diary, right? I think I'm like, thinking about it and that's what was more riveting about her case is because we had her saying what she, her intentions were, and then poof, she's gone.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
Yeah, so that was the great deal. But it's really sad that this woman did not get the coverage that she deserved because the car is gone now. We could have chased the car down by then like if we had known. Somebody knows something.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, it's just getting that info out there
DiDi:
Man.. Oh, the desert creeper.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. No, the desert... Well, the desert anywhere, but especially the desert in California. Um it's not somewhere that I ever want to be lost.. and alone.
DiDi:
You won't be lost alone cause it’s a body somewhere near you.
Ricky Frailey:
I mean.
DiDi:
I'm telling you, those shows
Ricky Frailey:
The likelihood of that, yeah
DiDi:
Yeah, yeah, the bounty hunter shows where they show that they were just riding through and then they saw some coyotes gathered and boom. They found little Arnesto.
Ricky Frailey:
Oh my God, little Arnesto
DiDi:
I just threw Arnesto out there, but no racists or nothing. Just, Arnesto came to mind in the desert, sorry. But yeah its just sad. Yeah.
Ricky Frailey:
So he got his friends to go out with him and look for her. Now, remember, she took this walk at 3 p.m. or thereabout. Um, at 5:13 p.m., he finally made a call to the sheriff's office for help. Mhm, yeah.
DiDi:
Nobody else in the group? He was in charge of the phone? It was only one phone out there?
Ricky Frailey:
They just didn't call anybody. They were wandering around for about two hours trying to find her.
DiDi:
Or maybe they just was thinking she just was kicking it, but wasn’t it like an itinerary or something? It sounds like a group thing. Like a whole tour bus thing.
Ricky Frailey:
No, this was friends. Yeah, it was just friends. Yeah, they were just backpacking. They were busing across the country, just living that, you know, drifter life for a little bit
DiDi:
Oh, this is on her bus.
Ricky Frailey:
Oh, this is, Yeah.
DiDi:
Ooh. Oh, that's kind of.
Ricky Frailey:
Her and her boyfriend, yeah.
DiDi:
Somebody is lying in the group.
Ricky Frailey:
It took them two hours to call the sheriff's office because they couldn't find her.
DiDi:
Nah
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, her absence would be reclassified as a missing person's case on July 2nd of 2021. Once Gabby Petito’s case garnered national attention, there were quite a few people who had begun highlighting Lauren as a missing person who’s case had gone cold for several months now. A lot of people would point out the disproportionate media coverage given to given to the missing white woman compared to that of missing people of color.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, this is primarily how both of these cases became linked. However, it should be noted that a Facebook page that had initially shared Lauren's disappearance, seemingly run by relatives of Lauren, made a statement. I'll have this statement on the episode page on the website so that you can check it out. Unfortunately, Lauren's case would come to a tragic end when remains would be found on October 9th, 2021, near the area where Lauren was last seen.
Ricky Frailey:
These remains would be positively ID'd as belonging to Cho on October 28th, in a statement released to the public and this -
DiDi:
Heat exhaustion, say it was like natural causes. Oh my God, what happened to her?
Ricky Frailey:
In the statement, the San Bernardino Sheriff's Department would say that the cause of death was still unknown and that they were awaiting pending toxicology reports. Yeah.
DiDi:
So this could be that she just was overcome. It's June.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, it's June 28th is hot out there.
DiDi:
Yeah, it's hot and she could just been... or maybe an animal or something. It could have been anything.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, she could have been... There's a lot of dangerous stuff out there: rattlesnakes, scorpions and crazy people. And yeah, there's probably the most dangerous animal of all, there's crazy people out there. Yeah. So do you imagine getting jumped by a crazy desert, man?
DiDi:
I know he’d be like “Aaaghhh.”
Coming from that rock.
Ricky Frailey:
From behind that rock, yeah.
DiDi:
He ain't hiding behind no Joshua trees.
Ricky Frailey:
Nah. Nah, that's crazy though. You know, there's a theory that there are feral people that live in, like, the national parks around
DiDi:
There are
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to go that far and confirm that, but like, I believe that there are yeah
DiDi:
Yes, I believe that.
Ricky Frailey:
There's so much space. There's so many resources. Like if you wanted to go off the grid and you knew how to like forage. Yeah, yeah, forage and hunt.
DiDi:
Are you serious that’s why all these bodies be all undiscovered, because all you have to do is just know one little... Well, I'm not a serial killer or anything, but I'm just saying, like, I suppose that it’s a lot of cracks and crevices out there and you just find one to stay in if you want to. But yes, a lot of people live under rocks and stuff.
DiDi:
You know, I watch, you know, I watch a lot of Naked and Afraid. So I'm a part of the survivalist community. I like to think of duct tape is my weapon, but.
Ricky Frailey:
Okay, yeah.
DiDi:
Yeah, duct tape. Save your life.
Ricky Frailey:
Oh, you know, duct tape is essential.
DiDi:
Yeah, but, yeah, it's a lot of people living off the grid out there, and that's what I think that happens to a lot of these people that are found out there. Because you don't know what people are out there practicing. You don't know. You remember M. Night Shyamalan's The Village.
Ricky Frailey:
Oh, God.
DiDi:
You remember the village?
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
There's people out there in a little space that they found and caped off. And, living in the 1800s like you wouldn't believe.
Ricky Frailey:
No, yeah, I definitely believe it. There's... I don't like it. I, I don't like it.
Case number three is short. In fact, it's just one paragraph in this script, and frankly that makes me sad because there's not a lot of information. And the reason for that is because body number three belongs to a homeless man.
In an area where authorities were allegedly searching for Brian Laundrie due to a tip that they received, they would discover the body of an unidentified homeless man behind a grocery store in Mobile, Alabama, on September 18th, 2021.
Ricky Frailey:
The police were able, quickly to rule out any correlation between the two cases, but that's what I'm talking about. That's all the information that I have on this.
DiDi:
Wow. That's crazy. And some people say homeless. Some people say off the grid.
Ricky Frailey:
Or unhoused.
DiDi:
But that is... And like, did they know his manner of, being killed like or know he just was unalived back there?
Ricky Frailey:
There was no real really no media reporting on this.
DiDi:
Wow. And he was murdered? He wasn't just deceased?
Ricky Frailey:
I don't know.
DiDi:
That is so crazy.
Ricky Frailey:
I don't know, there was no media coverage
DiDi:
At all! Like he didn't deserve nothing. And we don't even know his name.
Ricky Frailey:
Nope. Do not know his name
DiDi:
This unhoused man, in Mobile. He had to be black if he went unnamed and everything. Because everybody else, they would have pulled up dental records, they would have pulled out everything. But I ain't gonna say much
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah.
DiDi:
That is really sad. That is. He ain't even get a John Doe, huh.
Ricky Frailey:
I mean, I suppose they would call him John Doe, but yeah, it's just... that's all that I have. That's all the information. It makes me really sad. Case number three, the, the unhoused man in Mobile. Mobile, right? Mobile.
DiDi:
Mobile.
Ricky Frailey:
Mobile. Yeah. In Mobile, Alabama.
DiDi:
I love me some Mobile.
Ricky Frailey:
Discovered, on September 18th, 2021 while they were searching for Brian Laundrie.
DiDi:
Wow, that's really crazy because I've been to Mobile and I can see how that could happen because everything is so spaced out. You know, everything is like maybe you have a grocery store and then maybe you have, like a cornfield behind the grocery store. I don’t know of its corn there, but I know maybe you have like some type of food or something
Ricky Frailey:
Yes, field yeah
DiDi:
Behind there, and everything is like right off the freeway really. You travel on the freeway unless you know the backroads.
Ricky Frailey:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. So...
DiDi:
This is so sad. It's tragic.
Ricky Frailey:
It is.
DiDi:
It’s tragic.
Ricky Frailey:
But those are the kind of cases that slip through the cracks because... Simply because of the station or status of the victim.
DiDi:
Yeah.
Ricky Frailey:
Potential. Potentially, I don't know how he died.
DiDi:
We need to do something about that. Like that is like really sad. So many times that happens. It happens here every day.
Ricky Frailey:
It does.
Case number four a man by the name of Robert Lowery. He was a 46 year old father of two from Houston, Texas. He had recently flown to Jackson Hole on August 19th, where he would take a rideshare service to Wilson, which is a town located near multiple National Forest trailheads. So if you wanted to go on a hike on any one of these numerous trails, that would be the place you'd go to find the start of the trail and then you can go.
DiDi:
Oh, wow
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, so there was a bunch of different National Forest trails, which -
DiDi:
In Houston?
Ricky Frailey:
No, Jackson Hole.
DiDi:
Oh, Jackson Hole.
Ricky Frailey:
He would last be seen on August 20th, 2021, in Wyoming's Bridger-Teton National Forest. He was carrying a black duffel bag, a sleeping bag and a tent. So, it seems like it was going camping.
While search teams had secured Black Canyon Trail, it would not be until Gabby's case had attracted national attention, resulting in several crucial tips being given to authorities. Eventually leading to the discovery of Robert’s remains.
Ricky Frailey:
His remains would be found on September 28th by the Teton County Search and Rescue Team, roughly about 40 miles from where Gabby's body had been found about a week earlier.
DiDi:
Oh, that's really close. You said about 40 miles or 40?
Ricky Frailey:
40 miles.
DiDi:
Ohh
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, so he walked into the trail carrying a duffel bag, a sleeping bag and a tent on August 20th, and he was found on September 28th.
DiDi:
August 20th, that's when he left.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. That's when he was last seen.
DiDi:
Oh wow.
Ricky Frailey:
Entering the Bridger-Teton National Forest.
DiDi:
That's really eerie coincidence too because Brian was already back home. I was trying to piece where Brian was at.. like a little mental break. Yeah, I was like, hold up. I was trying to put the dates together, but Brian was already home and they already were searching for him. He was in custody by then when he went missing.
So it can't be him. So
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
Yeah. But I was really put my thinking hat on for
Ricky Frailey:
Over there calculating.
DiDi:
Yeah
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
That's really... See, it’s that area... That area just gives you
Ricky Frailey:
It is that area, theres a lot of... Like I said, untamed wilderness out there
DiDi:
Yes it's a lot of untamed out there and they’re like taking it to their advantage.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, it is scary. I mean these places are beautiful and I think that they should be preserved, but I don't know if I'm personally going to be. I mean, I might go out there during the day, I'm gonna stay... I don't know if you... Can you stay strapped?
DiDi:
You know, you know I'm strapped. You know. But especially if I go for a walk on the trail.
Ricky Frailey:
I just mean like in a national forest
DiDi:
I go on a walk on a trail here, and you know what? I got out my car one time, and I didn't, and I had a little dress on and some little shorts, and I was just taking a short walk. But then this guy got on the trail, like, right behind me. I found myself doing a little U-turn and remembering something because I was like, I am not going into the shaded area.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
And you know what I'm saying? I'm not about it to...
You don't ever know, he can pull me aside you never know we have to-
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah theres crazy people everywhere
DiDi:
We have to use our heads on a swivel at all times.
Ricky Frailey:
Mhm, yeah, there’s... I, I hate, I hate guys, I hate dudes, I really do.
DiDi:
It's really hard to... I try not to
Ricky Frailey:
Why, why do we gotta be like this?
DiDi:
I try not to hate humanity, but it's like really... it's so sad and savage. You know what I'm saying?
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
Like the opportunity, just the opportunity in some people’s head is enough.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, no it's crazy. I hate it. I don't hate people, but like, they really make it hard-
We, I guess. I'm a person too... We make it real hard not to hate us.
DiDi:
Yeah, it’s hard.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
It’s a struggle but just keeping... you know, that's why you supposed to keep good people around you and keep positivity around you and find what sparks your light, you know? And step away from society and just stay in your own head sometimes and just center yourself, you know?
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
Center yourself and become at peace. Because these people are really just trying to tear each other down or just see what hurt feels like on someone else. Or inflict the pain like the little girl.
Ricky Frailey:
Mary Bell?
DiDi:Mary Bell!
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
Ooh child. Last season... she gave me nightmares.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. No, that was a nightmare of a case.
DiDi:
Yes, but just to see, you know, just her little curious mind wanting to see someone choke and just wanting to know what someone feels like when they choke. It's just weird and savage.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, that's dark. That is... That's dark.
DiDi:
Dark Deeds.
Ricky Frailey:
Those are dark deeds, yeah.
So, yeah, Robert's death was officially solved. Like I said, not all of them were unsolved. Not all of the ones that I'm presenting were unsolved. It's just the disparity in media coverage.
His death would be ruled as a suicide.
DiDi:
He did not go out there with his whole camping stuff to be like, okay, I'm gonna spend my last night out here camped in the stars, and then tomorrow Imma off myself. No, he didn't, I don't believe that. That's just lack of wanting to.
We can move on to the next case, Ricky, but I will never believe that this man dragged all this stuff because he could have just went empty handed like-
Ricky Frailey:
I mean he could have
DiDi:
But even though Lauren, I don't feel like Lauren killed herself in any way, but I'm just saying he could have just went off empty handed.
But he had the whole kit caboodle. He had his pillow, everything. He wanted to make sure that his neck didn't get hurt.
Ricky Frailey:
His pillow?
DiDi:
And you know what I'm saying? He didn't want to just sleep on a rock
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah.
DiDi:
He went out there to live
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, no, he did. He did have his stuff.
DiDi:
He went to go live.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. But they did rule that a suicide.
DiDi:
Good job, Detective.
Ricky Frailey:
Case number five, a man by the name of Jared Hembree. He was a 26 year old man from Texas who went missing sometime on Thursday, October 21st, 2021.
Park law enforcement received a call expressing concern for Hembree's welfare based on the caller's interaction with him just outside the park. Hembree's vehicle was found at the Game Warden Point parking area in the eastern part of Grand Teton.
Ricky Frailey:
I'm not sure how to pronounce that properly. I'm going to get roasted, but whatever
DiDi:
Maybe Teton?
Ricky Frailey:
I think it's Teton, but.
DiDi:
Country people say Tee-in, they don’t spend all that time on Tee Ton.
Ricky Frailey:
Tee Ton? Yeah, the eastern part of Grand Tee Ton.
The eastern part of Grand Teton, prompting a search involving more than 80 personnel. On October 25th, it would be reported that Hembree's body had been located and recovered in Wyoming's Grand Teton National Park, which is fairly close to where both Lowery and Petito's bodies were found. He was found near Uhl Hill.
That's U-H-L. I hope that's Uhl, it could to be Ohl.
He was found near Uhl Hill on the eastern part of the park, or just southeast of the community of Moran. No official cause of death has been ruled for Jared Hembree. at the time of my research.
DiDi:
Okay, but somebody was already concerned about his conversation before he even went in the park. It was like Jared was out here talking crazy. Y'all better go and check on him.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
And then when they do check on him, he was out there deceased. So, okay. I’m not gonna speculate
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. Well, when they finally found him. When they finally found him, yeah. It was four days later.
DiDi:
Yeah. I'm not going to speculate what he had going on in his life, but it didn't sound like he wanted to get back, so he didn't sound like he had no tent He didn't say he had no tent, no camper or nothing.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. No, he didn't have any of that stuff with him.
DiDi:
That's so tragic.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, there's... You never really know what's going on inside somebody head really
DiDi:
Yeah, and he lived by that park too. It was calling him. Goodness... Gracious.
Ricky Frailey:
Case number six: A man by the name of Josue Calderon. This is also a short one. There have been numerous unconfirmed reported sightings of Brian Laundrie in the Blue Ridge mountain areas in North Carolina's Watauga County. You remember when they were looking for Brian Laundrie and there were speculations about people seeing him all over the place?
DiDi:
Everywhere!
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, there was a couple in Ohio. There was... I remember a bunch in... there were some in Alaska and I'm pretty sure there was one in Mexico. Yeah, it was crazy
DiDi:
Yeah, one thing about him and Gabby is they like to talk. They like people, they were talking. They were a social couple.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. So numerous unconfirmed reported sightings of him in the Blue Ridge Mountains in North Carolina. Soon after these alleged sightings, on October 9th, the body of 33 year old Josue Calderon would be found stabbed to death on the Blue Ridge Parkway along the Appalachian Trail below the Yadkin Valley Overlook in North Carolina.
Calderon is originally from Rhode Island, and currently his death is being investigated as a homicide.
DiDi:
Dang he did travel a long way.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
Yeah, and he was stabbed to death.
Ricky Frailey:
Yes. So-
DiDi:
And it makes sense. Not like they did my prosecuting brother over there.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, no-
DiDi:
Talkin bout he stabbed himself and threw himself violently into the river. Like, no
Ricky Frailey:
Into the creek. The stream
DiDi:
Into the creek. Yeah, that is crazy. So, yeah
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, he apparently didn't stab himself.
DiDi:
Clearly.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, so... But that is all that I have
DiDi:
We need to know who did it. So if anybody know anything, let’s tell who took Josue out.
Ricky Frailey:
And then the last case that I have is actually the longest one, because that's the one that I was able to get the most information on. And that is the case of Kylen Schulte and Crystal Turner.
Now, I want to preface this by saying while it's obvious that... it'll be obvious when I get into the story that Kylen and Crystal were a same sex couple, I prefer not to, input any any of my personal feelings about the likelihood of this being a hate crime against two women because of their sexual preferences.
The investigation is ongoing, and, a motive or cause of death, at least to my knowledge, hasn't been established. I'm very well aware of the fact that they may have been targeted for being same sex couple, but without adequate information, I can't make that accusation. So I just wanted to put that out there.
But Kylen Schulte, was originally from Billings, Montana, but after an abusive relationship she shut down and started experiencing suicidal thoughts.
Seeing this, her father would convince her to move to Moab, Utah with him, and she often credited this decision as being what saved her life. She was in a dark place, but you know, her dad recognized that and and helped her. That's what we like to hear. That' what needs to happen more often.
In 2009, while on a hike with her dad, they would both meet a woman named Crystal Turner.
Crystal Turner was 14 years older than Kylan, but the two women bonded over their shared love of the outdoors. And this meeting sparked the change in Kylan that her father noticed immediately. The couple would soon fall in love, and they got married in April of 2021, in a tree house in Crystal's home state of Arkansas. I guess they get pretty wild down there, I guess.
However-
DiDi:
Thats romantic.
Ricky Frailey:
It is. Yeah, I mean, that had to be a pretty big tree house, though.
DiDi:
Yeah
Ricky Frailey:
However, the couple would return home to Moab, and they proceeded to live their lives as normal. It's important to note that the couple did have three vehicles at the time of their death. Number one was a 1987 Ford Econoline van. That was-
DiDi:
Oooh the big van.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. This was usually parked outside the McDonald's where Crystal worked. Number two was a Kia Sorento that the couple would take whenever they went camping together. And they also owned a Harley Davidson motorcycle, that if they left town, they would also take it with them.
DiDi:
Okay
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. Hey, I mean, bikes are cool. By August of 2021, the couple were living and camping in the La Sal mountains, just about 20 miles south of Moab.
On August 13th, the couple went to the Woody's Tavern on Main Street to meet up with their friends. They arrived around 6 p.m. and used this time to have some drinks and catch up with conversations, and it was believed that everyone had a great time.
DiDi:
Yeah, it was the only Woody they were getting. I’m just playing y’all, just playing.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. However, the couple would bring up that back of their campsite a creepy man was actually staying next to them, and they both felt quite intimidated by this man
DiDi:
I imagine so
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, this goes back to the whole man vs bear, if you've seen that? Yeah, no, I can totally understand why women would choose the bear. Dudes, like I said, dudes are... I hate dudes
DiDi:
Creepy.
Ricky Frailey:
I hate dudes. I don't know why we have to be like this.
We don't have to be like this
DiDi:
Especially uncivilized ones, they don't have no manners.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, we don't have to be like this, but a lot of dudes choose to be and I hate it.
But back to the case, Kylan would go as far as telling her friends, “If something happens to us, we were murdered.”
Yeah. The couple then left for the night around 9:30. They either return to their campsite or to go find a new one, but regardless, both failed to show up for work the next day.
This prompted their families that something was wrong because neither woman was the kind of person to just skip work. They weren't no call no show kind of people like I wanna be sometimes
DiDi:
Yeah, they were hardworking.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, exactly. On August 15th, they would be reported missing to the Grand County Sheriff's Office. But like in so many cases, the authorities didn't investigate out of the belief that the woman just left on their own.
DiDi:
I’m not buying it.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
And left they stuff?
Ricky Frailey:
Yep
DiDi:
Left they campsite, left everything.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah.
DiDi:
Nah
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, but this this does happen in a lot of cases where, adults particularly, are reported missing. Or an attempt is made to report them missing.
DiDi:
And then they say, well, maybe they walked away. Maybe they left home
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, They... Well, the problem that people run into a lot with that is that as an adult, you have the right.
DiDi:
To go where you want to go
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, yeah. You have the right to go missing. So unless you can provide some kind of evidence that they're missing, sometimes the police don't take it very seriously. I'd like to say that that's improving, but I mean, the proof is in the cases.
The families knew that this just wasn't true, because not only did the women not tell them that they were leaving, or notify their workplaces, obviously. But that Harley-Davidson motorcycle that went with them, whenever they left, was still sitting exactly where they left it.
DiDi:
Yeah. No.
Ricky Frailey:
Kylan's dad, however, grew quite restless with the fact that no action on their cases had been taken. So he would call a friend by the name of Cindy Sue Hunter. That's a badass name.
DiDi:
Cindy Sue Hunter
Ricky Frailey:
That's a badass name.
He called her on the 17th to enlist her help in finding his daughter and her wife. Cindy would go looking for the couple the very next day, and her first stop was the couple's Econoline van which was parked at the McDonald's where Crystal worked. So they had taken the Kia. As she didn't see either woman,
She would then visit their campsite. Her dad would inform Cindy about the creepy dude that Kylan had spoke of, and that they were planning to leave their current campsite because of it. She made it up to the South Mesa area of the La Sal Loop Road until she eventually stumbled upon Kylan's body.
DiDi:
What?! She found her body?
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
The detective that he hired, or whoever that was, there he went and got?
Ricky Frailey?
Yeah. Miss Hunter
DiDi:
Miss Hunter?
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah.
DiDi:
Cindy Sue?
Ricky Frailey:
Yep. Cindy Sue Hunter is the one that stumbled upon Kylan's body.
DiDi:
What?
Ricky Frailey:
She immediately called the police.
DiDi:
What state was Kylan in? She only found Kylan, not her wife?
Ricky Frailey:
Both women. Yeah, so... Well, she she stumbled on Kylan first, but both of them were there. Both women were found in the nearby creek near their campsite and had suffered multiple gunshot wounds to the back, sides, and chest area
DiDi:
They was running.
Ricky Frailey:
Neither were dressed below the waist.
DiDi:
Oh, my God... Oh my God!
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. According to the search warrant that was later served, one woman was wearing a bra that had been pushed up. While the other one was only wearing a tank top. It isn't specified which woman was wearing what
DiDi:
Well, we know... We get it, what you're trying to say.
Ricky Frailey:
The sheriff's office would issue warrants for the couple's van on August 19th.
DiDi:
So the Econoline van is still gone? I thought... no, the van was there at the house.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, at the McDonald's
DiDi:
At the McDonald’s... but the Kia Sorento is what they had.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, that's what they took camping. Yeah.
DiDi:
That’s a van?
Ricky Frailey:
Uhh, it's an SUV
DiDi:
I thought it was a... Oh, okay
Ricky Frailey:
According to the search warrant, the vehicle was, “Unlawfully acquired” and, “Has been used or is possessed for the purpose of being used to commit or conceal the commission of an offense.”
DiDi:
I know you mess... I know you lying. I know that they didn't say whoever found told them that somebody gave it to them or something. They got it by Waze or something, because that's what that means. That means that they wasn't the person who stole it, but they had it unlawfully from someone else. That's what that means.
Ricky Frailey:
I think they're saying that it had been stolen. I don't know, it's legal jargon.
DiDi:
Yeah, but when they say that they obtained it illegally, that means like they obtained it... That means like they wasn't the person who took it, but the person who took it let them get it. That's what that means
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, yeah.
Also, while this doesn't have anything to do with what happened to these women, and it shouldn't. I do have to say, in the effort to just get all of the information out there in the most objective way possible, there was drug paraphernalia found in and around the vehicle when it was searched. But I don't think that there's any connection.
I don't think the police are drawing any connection between those two things.
DiDi:
Well, you know, I am from The Land. Okay.
Ricky Frailey:
Yes.
DiDi:
Okay, and I do know that if somebody sell drugs or something, and they know somebody who buys drugs, there's sometimes a car. Or if somebody who buys drugs got a car that they want to get, they will give it to somebody who sells drugs for like the purpose of buying drugs. Like use it as collateral, especially if they didn't buy the car.
They don't care about that car, they just want their drugs.
Ricky Frailey:
I mean, yeah, you're right
DiDi:
I’ve seen it happen
Ricky Frailey:
I can see that, yeah
DiDi:
So, that is crazy, and you know they was in a mountains. So it was meth, okay. The drugs was meth. We know it. Imma tell y’all what’s going on in America for those who in the Netherlands.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
Yeah, it was meth. They found some meth in that car. Just to clarify what Ricky Frailey don't say.
DiDi:
He don't want to subjectify. I don't mind.
Ricky Frailey:
So when. You may be wondering how this case relates to the Gabby Petito case.
DiDi:
I'm just like, oh my God, this case has thrown me.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah, well, initially there hadn't been a lot of media attention surrounding the murders of this couple until a possible connection had been found between this case and the Petito case. People began to acknowledge that Gabby and Brian had a domestic dispute within the same town where Crystal and Kylan lived and worked. Now, while this wasn't substantiated, a lot of people made an assumption that the creepy dude that the couple were referring to may have been Brian.
DiDi:
Probably
Ricky Frailey:
This is due to the fact that the couple went missing shortly after Gabby and Brian had been in the area. However, the authorities would later clarify they did believe both cases were largely unrelated, and that Laundrie didn't have anything to do with the murders of both women. As of my research on this case, there have been no leads and no arrests in the murder of both of these women.
DiDi:
That's tragic, that is so horrible.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
I just wanted them to have some closure for them, but that is really messed up, and it could have been Brian. Because y'all know Brian had a woman hating little complex about him. Did he kill his self by the way? Didn’t he?
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
They let him evade custody for so long that he went back out in the woods and made a video of him killing himself.
Didn’t he have a video or something he showed us him taken his self out?
Ricky Frailey:
I don't remember if there was a video or not there could have been
DiDi:
I remember it was some ranting He was ranting and ranting and ranting about everybody blaming him for something he did
Ricky Frailey:
Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, they’re gonna blame him. He f**king did it
DiDi:
He did it. Right. So it's just really... that is sad that they would do something so savage to these women. They did not deserve that. They were living their storybook life.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. I don't know why some people just can't let people live their lives and do what they want
DiDi:
Man, her dad, built her that dang old tree house when she was little. It was probably one of them castle like ones, that really looked like a home, and she probably always wanted to get married there. She even got married to her person.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah
DiDi:
And it's just so sad that them two ladies had to... Well them two people had to die like that.
It just breaks my heart for the father and for the family.
Ricky Frailey:
Yeah. I mean, all of these cases break my heart.
DiDi:
All of them break my heart.
Ricky Frailey:
But that's just a peek into some of what I call the peripheral body problem that we have here in America. Because of the disparity between the coverage of some cases over other cases.
DiDi:
Yeah
Ricky Frailey:
And I just wanted to highlight these ones in particular.
DiDi:
Yeah.
Ricky Frailey:
And get their names out there. Get their stories out there. So I hope that you and everyone listening enjoyed me ruining your day again. I needed to get these people's names out there because knowing is half the battle, and now we know just a little bit more. I would like each and every one of you to stay safe, stay alive, and stay listening to the Dark Deeds Diary podcast.
DiDi:
Thank you, thank you. We love you.
Ricky Frailey:
Love you all. Bye
DiDi:
Bye
Ricky Frailey:
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